Jason L. (Boca Raton, FL): I thought Canelo was on the verge of winning early, but I don’t agree with the standstill scorecards. How did your cards look stopping?
Vivek W. (B247): I’ve heard a lot about this talk, and to be completely frank, I don’t think it’s a coincidence that most of those who thought this way got into the fight expecting Plant to win. For those watching with a neutral mind, I think it was very difficult to give Plant more than two, maybe three rounds in the whole fight. He spent most of his time backing up, and although he threw his hands up, he didn’t come with the intention of doing damage, as evidenced by the fact that he threw 80 more punches. while still allowing Canelo to overtake him by 16. His most used punch was a jab which was really used more to keep Canelo rather than dealing damage. When trying to make sense of scorecards in boxing, I like to see scores the same way professional basketball does.
For example, a jab is equated to the effectiveness of a free throw (single point), a powerful punch is equated to a two point shot and a knockdown is equated to a three point shot. As Plant won the jab battle (42-15), you must be wondering which âshotsâ scored the most âpointsâ (in the minds of the judges) and had the most impact? These blows, unequivocally, were the powerful blows! In this department, Canelo has passed factory 102-59. He almost doubled his output and the 43 additional punches landed were distributed in 11 rounds. That’s an average of 4+ extra punches per turn. If you are wondering how he brought down Plant and finally stopped, this is it! He had a lot more chops on the tree, and they were big chops! No paper cuts! Seven turns to three is very realistic.
Javier I. (Houston, TX): I think Canelo Alvarez is the best Mexican fighter ever. Where do you put it on your list and how do you rate it overall – in terms of P4P status?
Vivek W. (B247): Mexico has given boxing some of the best pure warriors the sport has ever seen, including one of my favorite warriors (Zarate), who accomplished the incredible feat of two separate streaks of 20 consecutive KOs or more. The only thing inherent in all Mexican warriors is the heart of a lion. Those at the top had that lion’s heart and so much more. While most put Chavez at the top of the list of great Mexicans of all time, I think a mellow CV of very few real threats (from his first 80 fights) would keep me from joining those who feel that way. If you judge the results, he might get the green light. If you look at it from a global perspective, I think Salvador Sanchez and Carlos Zarate would have made a strong point so far.
Sanchez is more like Bo Jackson from the NFL, where you just saw incredible talent, but in a very incomplete way. Our sample size for all of Sanchez’s work is simply too small to say that he truly deserved this title. Regardless of how we see the Zarate and Sanchez of the world, I think what we see in Canelo at this point takes him to a whole different level, as he essentially applied Mayweather’s plan to his proud legacy in as a vintage Mexican fighter. . The highest income, the most consistent results, the best combination of opposition (diversity of styles defeated) and beyond. His abilities and results separate him from anything Mexico has produced, and that says a lot! It’s very difficult to put someone above him, categorically, at this point.
Compared to its current pound-for-pound status, I have it in the same place now as I had it three years ago. The only ones who haven’t are those who participate in the whole “mythical” conversation, basing themselves on recent victories and star power rather than pure talent. The most accurate way to judge P4P talent today is to ask yourself, “Which fighter needs the least matchmaking help when it’s time for a fight?” In other words, the guy who doesn’t need the matchmaker to work too strategically – looking at the weight, height, or ability of ANY opponent on the grid. Just pick a night and fight! This guy, to me, has been Canelo for at least three years. You just know, it doesn’t matter who’s on the other side, he’s going to be the big favorite to win at the end of the night.
Derek M. (Atlanta, GA): How do you think this version of Canelo handles a major version of Mayweather and Andre Ward?
Vivek W. (B247): With all due respect, but this question is quite funny for me! A solid fighter gets a win, and we start to think about all the other fights we can’t see them face and wonder how they would do if they faced them. Fantastic stuff at its best! (MDR). The truth is, unbelievable as Canelo may seem, there is always an argument to be made for the two men to beat him. In Mayweather’s case, I don’t think we would have a much different fight than we did years ago. If we are talking totally at the top of his game, we are talking about a fighter who would still make Canelo miss and make him pay as much today as he did yesterday!
Canelo recently fought in higher weight classes so everyone thinks he’s so much bigger now. The truth is, Canelo entered the ring in the 170s for years! Here are some unofficial fight night weights: Lara – 171 lbs, Angulo – 174 lbs, Trout – 172 lbs, and against Mayweather he would have been around 173 lbs. He had the same thunderous power he has now, which is why Mayweather Sr. was so animated between turns, telling young Floyd to stop being so hesitant after tasting that power. The only reason this power was enough to stop Plant, Kovalev, and others is because he was able to grant them this power. The reason he couldn’t stop Floyd was because he couldn’t attribute that power to Floyd! Nobody makes combinations on Floyd. Not even Pacquiao. So power does not accumulate in the same way.
In his prime, he was punching Canelo and making him miss more each time, so I can’t see those results change. In the case of AndrÃ© Ward, it becomes very intriguing. Ward is like the Tom Brady of boxing. He didn’t have the flashiest guns on the market (i.e. speed, thunder power, etc.), but he knew how to use his entire arsenal to make sure he was more than that. that you had when the bell rang. His tenacity, bodywork and consistency would have made him a problem for Canelo. Plant, Kovalev, and others made patrols. Ward had constant pressure, was an incredibly cerebral fighter, and was tall and strong enough in his prime to be a problem for Canelo. There’s an argument to be made both ways, as Canelo could do things that would be a big deal for Ward as well. Too bad we’ll never see this one!
(Vivek Wallace can be reached at 954.770.9807, [email protected], or via Facebook in daily chats with boxing fans around the world)